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Bola
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OK, I know it splits opinion like Brexit or climate change!

 

With the D3 it was a box of bits so a no brainer to run a total restore including paint ect...

With the next one.. restore or leave original?

I do like the idea of having an original bike however, im not sure how safe it will be. If i need to change the cables, rubbers, tyres, exhaust, wheels ect.. i'm thinking this will just look odd with the paint looking pitted and old. Not sure where the line is between original safe riding and total strip and restore?

Maybe this current state is not good enough to worth keeping anyway? I don't believe it has ever had a respray however some research tells me this maybe a darker red then original.  

 

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Personally, I like the paintwork.Give it a good clean n see what you've got. I think it'll look great either way but be a shame to lose all that lovely patina. Engine should look nice all cleaned up. You'll get loads of opinions, just stick with your own smile

Looking forward to seeing it progress

Stewart

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I think that 'patina' is mainly rust. For me, I think that is too far gone to leave it as is, particularly if you have to add new parts - cables, seat cover, etc. It would look a little odd, but its your bike, you do what you think is best.

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I'd get it running before deciding anything else (though I'm also well known for my oily rag preferences wink). Once it's a runner, you can make a better choice of how to proceed.

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To get the engine going I'm sure it will need strip, new internals - OK. Sure the exhaust is scrap so a new one needed.

Next will be the wheels, both tyres are flat at the moment. If i need new rims / spokes. This will leave me with a new shiny exhaust and wheels on old hubs.

The worry then will be a mix of new shiny parts and old paint! It might not look correct as it will then look in-between a restored bike?

Any images of a oily rag runner? is the electrics OK? handlebar controls working? were new bearings added to engine & wheel hubs? 

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first    I/D  the   wiering    sistem         &  oil  alll  parts  in it   for  as long as  posable   for  ezy  referishment        likewiz   the  bike  don  do  enythink  till  you  do  moor  reserch   on that  modles  parts as you  can   i think  to  bring  it  back  will  cost   5 times  moor  than  a  bantam        think  carfully  ones   you   open  the  project    the  cost  will   outwaigth    the  fun  you  get  from  it   have  fun  its  very  nice    &  beter  if  its  running

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You need to get that AMC engine stripped and see the condition of the piston and bore. Barrels are not the easiest thing to get hold of, the pistons are like rocking horse manure and will set you back £200ish alone. The FB owners club can help with other parts. But that motor could decide it before you go any further.

 

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First off, I'll make my personal bias clear.  I feel that 'shabby cosmetics, but corrosion free' is a 'wipe over and keep it that way' job.  Covered in what some call 'patina' and what I call 'serious corrosion' is a case of 'fix it before it rots into a colander, or watch it turn to scrap'.

Patina is a slight discolouration - either on paintwork or metal.  As far as I can see from the picture, what covers a lot of that bike is not patina, but rust.  Unless you keep rust permanently covered in oil, wax or grease, it will continue to rust until the mudguards, tank, frame, forks, chainguard, rims, headlamp, handlebars, exhaust pipe and silencer look like a set of lace curtains - and once they get past the point of no return, you'll find it a devil of a job to obtain anything but generic replacements.  Things like usable rims, headlamps and handlebars are straightforward enough - as long as you don't mind them not being exact matches - but engine casings, exhaust pipes. silencer, mudguards and tank?  Lose one of those to the metal worms, and you could spend years searching for a replacement, even if you were willing to pay silly money for it.

But . . . it's your bike, not mine - so it's definitely your call.

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There is patina which comes from long term use and love. This is valuable as it is part of the soul of the bike. This is quite different to neglect and corrosion from abandonment. This one looks abandoned and I'd have no problem restoring it and injecting the love back into it. Then use it and patina will gradually come back. 

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Justin - I thoroughly agree!  I've had one of my pocket knives for over 20 years, and the high carbon steel blade has taken on a pale gunmetal colour which looks very attractive to me eye - but the joint and spring are kept lightly oiled, and the edge is very sharp, indeed!

I consider that knife to be an old and trusted friend, and I'm more likely to walk out the door with no trousers on than without that knife in my pocket smile

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I do like the idea of having an original bike however, im not sure how safe it will be. If i need to change the cables, rubbers, tyres, exhaust, wheels ect.. i'm thinking this will just look odd with the paint looking pitted and old. Not sure where the line is between original safe riding and total strip and restore?

In my case, the expense! I'm spending an absolute fortune rebuilding a D1 literally from bare frame upwards, because EVERYTHING needed looking at and most of it was rejected as worn out / knackered / bodged / damaged / unsuitable / too unsafe to reuse. It was repainted at the last "restoration" about 3 years ago when it was found in a shed, as far as I can tell, but was just a quick wire-bush the rust off and spray over the top job. Only looks OK from a distance, up close, loads of rough scabby surfaces. But at least the paint covers everything to keep the elements out, so I'm leaving it at that for the time being.

There are lots of old and/or used looking bikes about but you can see that money's been spent on tyres, brakes, chains etc., i.e. the important bits, so that they're roadworthy.

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