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nigelD1
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July 28, 2013 - 7:32 pm
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This is a non bantam question about lucas keys. I have a 1955 Panther that has a unknown key, that if you wiggle it quite a lot, it eventually turns the lock. The Lock says FP 632? Does anybody know where I can buy the correct key, from just the lucas number?

 

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July 28, 2013 - 7:37 pm
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you could try here, they list one but not sure if it is the same ?

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July 28, 2013 - 7:42 pm
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Great one bart, I'll give them a try..... If I can work out their web site.

 

I will post how I get along.

 

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Apart from doing a google search or ebay search ... might be worth contacting these people ** Please log in to view **

regards, Kathy -- 1950 D1 De Luxe, Plunger Frame, Lucas Electrics....Being Resuscitated...

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July 28, 2013 - 7:54 pm
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Double great Kat, order placed online for 2 keys…

 

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July 28, 2013 - 8:03 pm
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That's not a Lucas number, it's a standard key range number. It's possible you could get one from your local locksmiths. Most of them now have computerised systems that list all available key types and some are even linked to the cutting machine so once the correct key blank is selected and placed in the machine, the number is entered into the system and the whole cutting exercise is automatic.

Back in the day, most motor vehicles used keys from these standard ranges and motor factors used to keep whole boards of them displayed by range, FS, FT, FP etc. in number sequence. If you knew the number, anyone could walk in and buy the correct key.

They eventually stopped stamping the number on the face of the lock, no doubt due to the security concerns, but the number was still recorded somewhere on the switch or lock which you could find once dismantled.

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Thanks for the update Piquet. Unfortunately I know from past experience that my local locksmith’s key select is not his strong point. I took a 1936 new imperial lucas lock and asked for a key blank to just fit the lock…. That I would file to fit and turn later…. He insisted that the only lucas blank he had was for a JCB?, and that they had not changed the design over the years…. Even when faced with the JCB blank being twice the size of the key hole, he question whether the lock was actually lucas.

 

I gave up and wished him a good day….. I’m sure with five minutes behind the counter with the key blanks, I could have found a suitable key.

 

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FS, FT, FP etc. is actually the reference for the key blank, but if he's that awkward/incompetent then you are probably better off with the websites previously referenced. dunno

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My local key cutters only have modern car or Yale keys anything other than that and we have to travel 20mls in the hope the town key cutters will have one

 

That's why I use the internet for most things ... much easier

regards, Kathy -- 1950 D1 De Luxe, Plunger Frame, Lucas Electrics....Being Resuscitated...

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Yes, I need to find a locksmith who has heard of New Imperial or Panther… or even BSA Bantam. I would be surprised if our local locksmith had heard of Woolworths… may be it is an age thing? As you get older, everyone looks younger.

 

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Keys arrived to day, both fit a treat.laugh

 

Thanks very much for all your help with this

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Great news Nigel  ... hope the Panther is soon on the prowl

 

P.s I have a basket case Panther 35 ... has a villiers engine ... when I acquired it many years ago I contacted the Panther OC  ... and nobody admitted to knowing anything about them ... seems as if it's not P&M then they did not want to know ... maybe I will make that the next project dunno

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Yes it's strange, I remember them at the time and there was also other manufacturers who used the Villiers twin but it seems the only ones that were accepted by the general biking public were the Marques that traditionally used bought in engines (James, FB, Ambassador, Greeves etc.).

Royal Enfield had one in their range (Turbo Twin IIRC) but I suspect customers thought it wasn't really a proper RE because it didn't have a RE engine like the other 250's in the range. I suppose the fact it was a two stroke didn't help when Manufacturers like Panther and Royal Enfield were associated with four strokes for their 'serious' models.

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I also wrote to the British 2 Stroke Club ... but never got a reply ... so not just the P&M lot that were short on customer service rofl

regards, Kathy -- 1950 D1 De Luxe, Plunger Frame, Lucas Electrics....Being Resuscitated...

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I have joined the panther club…. But I agree, if it is not a big 600cc sloper, then  it is not seen as a real panther... just a toy.

The club pages now acknowledge the two stroke panther:-

 

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I still have the dynamo to sort out on mine, then it will be ready for the road. Hopefully it just requires new brushes.fingers-crossed

 

Nigel.

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