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justin ball
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Twenty years ago I volunteered at the North Carolina transport museum. They taught me to sharpen drill bits by hand on a big grit wheel, and to drill and tap 1/4 x 20 holes to stick bolts in. About 400 of them. I was given a tap wrench and two taps ("because newbies break tools"). Read an article in last years VMCC rag. There is a lot more to a nut and a bolt than a nut and a bolt. I've got a machine mart metric set, but I hear a lot of vetran, vintage, British stuff is Cycle Thread.

 

Can people advise me on a Zues book version and a functionable tap and die set?

 

Winter is coming and I've put a sheet of ply over the kitchen work top (c clamps) and a small vise: Radio 4, beer, making nuts and bolts...

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Wotcha.

My Zeus book is still going strong after quite a few years.

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As for taps and dies:   Cheap carbon steel ones are fine for restoring original threads, but for making nuts and bolts from scratch you need HSS taps and dies.   They cost a lot more, but they won't wear out after the first half dozen times you use 'em.

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Hi Justin.
     Oh, threads, an absolute minefield. When you think about all of the threads that you are possibly going to come across when working on a Bantam.
Over the years just about all of the imperial threads have been used at different times.
On a D14 for example you will see BSF, BSW, BA, CEI. Just to mention the ones that come to mind.
Then on the B175 they started to use UNC, UNF as well.
If you ever buy a Honda and think that you're OK with standard metric, then you're in for more fun. Metric threads come in various forms. Metric course, metric fine and metric super fine.
So in conclusion, I would say that you best course is to buy several sets of thread gauges to cover imperial threads and a set of metric if you work on non British bikes.
There are instances where the TPI of two different thread types are the same but the tooth angle is different, yet another anomaly.
I don't have a Zues book but find a google search helpful and unfortunately you will need many tap and die sets to cover all bases.
Just my thoughts.
             Mike.

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Oh yes, Lone Wolf has just reminded me, cheap taps and die sets don't like cutting threads in anything other than aluminum or soft steel.
Have fun.
     Mike.

 

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Drills-Taps-and-Dies-Workshop-Practice-by-Cain-Tubal-Paperback-Book-The

 

I wish there were night classes to go to. Bought this

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Aaaah, night classes. They're used to be millions of them. I tried to find ones for welding. None. Nothing. In a city like Glasgow with dozens of "universities" and colleges and a history of engineering and manufacturing. Eventually I found one; specialising in Jewellery and with no grant available as it was considered "commercial." Of course there are no "Technical colleges" any more all been upgraded to "Uni" and churning out a gazillion "qualified" marine biologists and  environmental analysts. Oh, Brave New World.....

 '55 D3 Battery; '58 Square Four (project); '59 D1 direct lighting plunger; '59 Tiger Cub; '60 5TA;  '76 FS1-E; '97 Honda Sky SGX50.

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£10 metric course I have for my many Jap bikes. Good for cleaning the original threads. That's about all the need. I have a huge selection of clean new metric allen head bolts. I'll have a go drilling and tapping those to start.

There is absolutely nothing in the vast skill set of mechanical drawing, taps, threading stock, cutting, filing anywhere oop north. With me it's been hit and miss self taught for thirty years. I feel ripping off by my schooling.

Justin

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You'll be buying a lathe and getting this next 🤣Screenshot_20200723-090515_Gallery.jpg

Think this cost me a fiverScreenshot_20200723-090844_Gallery.jpg

I blame the bsa bantam forum 🤣🤣🤣

What's 7/16 in mm again?

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Does metric revision mean the zeus book now includes metric, or that the cover ypu show ONLY has metric tables?

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Has everything AND metric conversions,threads etc.

From tapping drill sizes,thread forms and pitches to hole patterns,taper specs,hole specifications for different fits etc.

Easy worth a fiver just for reference.

What's 7/16 in mm again?

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Did you used to sell encyclopedia sets?

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justin ball said
Did you used to sell encyclopedia sets?  

As I was writing it I thought it sounded like a sales pitch 😁 sold a few kirby vacuums in my younger days.

The trick was to try and make the people you were selling to their house was filthy and theyd buy one out of disgust.Especially when you vacuumed their bed.Instead of a bag youd use a black cloth.Go over the mattress a few times and open the cloth with a look on your face 🤮🤮🤮

What's 7/16 in mm again?

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I used to sell Filter Queen. We used to hook up our demo model to their Kirby and suck all the «censored» out of it. Or they would ask about the Rainbow water filteration. "Have you ever farted in the tub? Did you smell it?". Or to a younger crowd, "Smoked a bong? Got stoned?" Good money $500 commission each, really bad conscience. I can remember the pitch perfectly, 30 years on.

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