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BantamBaz
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Reasoning that a lot of road users these day don't understand hand signals I thought I'd  add a set of indicators, thinking that a flashing light might get some notice of my presence on the road.

My problem is finding a set of lamps that are a bit period looking & not something nasty & plastic from China.

Any ideas or recommendations would as always be welcomed.

Cheers.

Barrie.

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Wotcha.

I went for some cheap generic oblong jobbies - not too big, so they don't look out of place on a Bantam.

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I'll bet they weren't expensive and came from the far east.

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I would have thought options for 6 volt positive earth models are fairly limited?

i too have been thinking about the “safety benefits” of indicators hence my observation. 

Or am I once again talking bo££0x?

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cocorico said
I'll bet they weren't expensive and came from the far east.  

Wotcha. 

Correct. 

The Lucas pattern ones just look too big on a Bantam.  I did have a nose on eBay but they only seem to be selling the "modern" stuff.  Carbon fibre look alike and spear shaped.  Cheap enough at around £12 for all four, but they too don't look right.  The oval shaped ones I've fitted to other Bantams weren't available, so I went with those oblong ones.

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Though it kinda pains me to flag up this site..... There are 30 pages of every conceivable shape here - all for a few yuan 🙂

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Lone Wolf said
Wotcha.

I went for some cheap generic oblong jobbies - not too big, so they don't look out of place on a Bantam.

  

Very nice, what type/make of switch have you used?

regards Chris

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Isbfan said
I would have thought options for 6 volt positive earth models are fairly limited?

i too have been thinking about the “safety benefits” of indicators hence my observation. 

Or am I once again talking bo££0x?  

Incandescent bulbs don’t care whether they’re connected positive or negative earth (or whether the supply is ac or dc for that matter), so as long as you can find lamps you like the look of then you’re good to go. The flasher relay is the bit that needs to be suitable for the voltage and polarity, and as far as I know they all need a dc supply. 

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saab9002 said

Very nice, what type/make of switch have you used?

regards Chris  

Wotcha.

One of ** Please log in to view **- from eBay.

Got them on one or two machines now.  I tend to use this particular switch 'cos it isn't too wide.  Wide switches mean the mirror doesn't stick out far enough and all I can see is my own shoulder.

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Lone Wolf said

Wotcha.

One of ** Please log in to view **- from eBay.

Got them on one or two machines now.  I tend to use this particular switch 'cos it isn't too wide.  Wide switches mean the mirror doesn't stick out far enough and all I can see is my own shoulder.  

Thanks Lone Wolf, I've just ordered one.

Regards Chris

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If it helps:

I'm putting on bar-end indicators. This requires a small hole in the centre of the handlebars tube, for the wires to come out. This is dead simple as a void is provided by the handlebar clamp (single alloy thing with 4 studs), so the wires will lbe hidden between that and the speedo. Also because the hole will also be in the centre of the clamp, the strength of the handlebars will not be compromised (will still be hole-free tubes left and right). Or so I figured.

You can get period bar-end indicator lamps such as I've seen on early BMW's etc., for example (and I'm not promoting this company specifically, is just the first thing that came up in Google image search)

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If you use LED lamps or bulbs, you can have a small 12V battery secreted somewhere just to run the indicators, it won't be used that often so should last a good mileage and can be recharged when you get back home.

I am planning to add a small 6V battery in series with my main 6V battery, and do it that way.

At the moment I am planning to fit Motogadget bar end LED indicators which are very expensive, (!) but flippin' bright, and they are biased to front and rear only where the other drivers actually are that you want to see the signals, and not just shine out in all directions to no use, like most if not all other designs (I had previously bought a similar style pair, LED's pointing 360 degrees but utterly useless in daylight, but might be "OK" in the dark, but I'm not putting them to the test!)

Vehicle Wiring Products sell a snuff-box style indicator switch, 3-position, centre off (they must be other vendors also offering the same thing), and I'm going to use that, because it matches the dip switch etc.

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I agree that most drivers will likely only see what they expect to see, so they will expect to see a flashing orange light as a turn signal, not someone sticking their arm out. Same kind of problem as expecting to see other vehicles on the road as other cars only, not motorcycles or bicycles etc. (like the "wrong" shape, does not go into brain).

You did ask ... laughhope-that-helps

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Murphy's 4th law of motion states that any small object that is accidentally dropped will immediately hide itself under a larger object.

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Number6 said
...I am planning to add a small 6V battery in series with my main 6V battery, and do it that way...
  

That is not a good way to get your 12V - unless both 6V batteries are the same. Though you would still have one being constantly charged by the generator while the other was discharging in use. Better to use a single small 12V battery dedicated to the indicators and recharge it after use.

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I'm not getting into a discussion about this, I know what I'm doing. It's not what you think ...

Mike H --

Murphy's 4th law of motion states that any small object that is accidentally dropped will immediately hide itself under a larger object.

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Hello again,

It's  interesting how these threads & topics develop, really nice to be part of these things.

I appreciate all the comments. I've  still not decided on lamps yet but have food for thought now.

I have noticed that some of the lamps on offer only have 10 watt bulbs fitted. Maybe a bit dim ?

I see that Paul Goff offers a kit including lamps, with 23 watt bulbs, switch & flasher relay for around the £38 Mark.

Maybe the way to go.

Barrie

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What about cz/jawa ones from early 70`s ?   

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Sorry that was harsh. In a bad mood lately for some reason. (No I know why, want to get on with stuff but keep being "interrupted" – e.g. right now I want to do a bit of painting but the wind is too wild at the mo, even for in the shed with the doors open)

More details about my method may follow in my rebuild topic later, but of course nothing is without change, anything could happen laugh

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