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Nigel GF
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Hi, I have had both hips replaced, and the hospital recommended that I do not do any impact things with my hips,ie running and jumping etc, I have had many motorcycles over the years, most have had an electric start, but I would love to buy a BSA Bantam,but before I go out and buy one I just want to know if they are hard to start as I don't really want to cause a problem with my hips , I know it sounds a bit stupid ask this question,but I was also wondering if any other members have experienced this type of problem.

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Hi Nigel

I'm a new Bantam owner, and I haven't started it that much because I took the tank off almost as soon as I bought it last month, to get the rust out.  I have also never had a kick start bike before, so I've got nothing to compare the Bantam with.  This answer doesn't look like it's going anywhere right?  Bear with me.

Mine is a 1950 engine, and the bike is unregistered, not having been on the road since before the 80's.  Having said that, with fresh petrol, it started usually second kick 99% of the time.  I don't find the kick particularly heavy (maybe my compression's rubbish), but I think the key point from your point of view is that there isn't really a sudden impact to the straightened leg and hip like there would be if running, just a single smooth(ish) extension of the leg.  Without the impact, you may well be OK, as long as you are OK with flexing and straightening your leg fairly rapidly.  If you had to do it a fair few times, you may find it tiring or painful.  I'd suggest getting along to a meet in your area, and ask a willing member if you can try to start their bike.  That will give you some idea.

Then again, there are companies who make an electric start.  Something you might look into if you are determined to suffer the bittersweet experience of Bantam ownership.

Concretecow.

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I would definitely advise that you try before you buy. My D3 kicks back from time to time and while not painful, it can give quite a jolt. A well set-up Bantam (or any bike) should not be hard to start, but you only need to look at some of the posts on the forum to see how much trouble some people have!

Don't forget that compared to your previous mounts, most bantams are underpowered, underbraked and underlit, all of which problems can be somewhat improved - they do have a charm, though.

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I have a well set up D10 which despite following all procedures will now and then kick back.I would concur that try one first is the way to go.The swing arm Bantam has quite a high seat too needing a good throw of the leg to mount.

67 D10. and a D7    2007 Honda Hornet FA. Honda CD200 81 93 Yamaha TTR 250 Raid, Sinnis SC 125.   75 Montesa Cota 247 an electric scooter of Famous make.

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Good point, John. I could suggest (say it quietly) that if you have any problems, it might be worth considering a twist and go step-through scooter - I have an old (2001) Peugeot 100cc which apart from convenience (elec start) and ease of use is a real hoot. Good lights and brakes and 80kph with ease. get-me-coat

You could always consider a Bantam to 'play with'...

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Well perfect compromise... Guzzi Galletto.Why have bikes named after domestic fowl gone up so much in price?Mind you so have Plovers and Petrels.

67 D10. and a D7    2007 Honda Hornet FA. Honda CD200 81 93 Yamaha TTR 250 Raid, Sinnis SC 125.   75 Montesa Cota 247 an electric scooter of Famous make.

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Why not go the bantam/honda route  ,  flintdog makes some belters as i remember, 

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Thanks for your reply's they are very interesting, at the moment one of my bike's is a AJS Tempest 125 which has an electric start as will as a kick start,I have no real trouble starting the AJS on the kick start so one would assume that the Bantam would be no more difficult to start then this,but your comments on starting one before buying is quite a good idea.

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alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered a substantial change. If the number of cylinders in an engine is different from the original, it is likely to be, but not necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative equipment.Which implies re-engined Bantams will not be historics. My Sinnis has the same engine as the Tempest very nice too.Do not expect too much from the little BSA in modern traffic it is demanding,having no trafficators mine is strictly down the back way now.

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Is anyone really bothered if a re-engined bantam is classed as historic ?  what is road fund licence ..£18 ? and an mot at around £30.. seriously, motorcycling doesnt get much cheaper

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Dont think you will have any trouble kicking it over but as Cocorico said they can kick back
quite viciously D14s in particular
I broke my right ankle some years ago held together with pins and bone graft couldn’t start any of my larger 4stroke bikes but could kick the Bantam over with ign off but just could not risk it kicking back so borrowed a nice honda cg with elec start

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Well some spivs are trying it on already.It is the idea of a fuss free toy that attracts.The car world faces real issues though..a 4.4 Range Rover V8 in a Rover P6 roughly doubles the power yet is within the rules.Something is going to give.

67 D10. and a D7    2007 Honda Hornet FA. Honda CD200 81 93 Yamaha TTR 250 Raid, Sinnis SC 125.   75 Montesa Cota 247 an electric scooter of Famous make.

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Reading these posts, I guess I've been lucky with my D1 so far then, it hasn't kicked back at me.  If you have no trouble with the AJS, then a Bantam should present no problem, but, as I said, and Cocorico also suggested, trying before buying is the way to go.  Good luck

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Why not buy a solo starter, the ones they use to start race bikes? Have one of those and you should be able to start anything! Save your hips, my D5 kicks back occasionally, the last time I thought I had broken my foot. Don’t take a chance

Current bikes......1958 D5, a 77 Suzuki GT250 and a 77 Honda CB125S. I have a 74 Kawasaki S3 400 and a B175 waiting for restoration. A 1980 Honda CB400N waiting for MOT.  Everyday ride is a 2011 Harley Davidson Sportster. 

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Roller starters ideally have two people or an elaborate remote system ...then what happens is the bike shoots forward and the roller backwards ,,trust me ..you must have two,,,

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swalsh58 said
Why not buy a solo starter, the ones they use to start race bikes? Have one of those and you should be able to start anything! Save your hips, my D5 kicks back occasionally, the last time I thought I had broken my foot. Don’t take a chance  

 

And then you have to plan your route with a hill at the destination so you can bump it down the bank to start it !   Only any good if you ride in circles ..

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johnsullivan said
Roller starters ideally have two people or an elaborate remote system ...then what happens is the bike shoots forward and the roller backwards ,,trust me ..you must have two,,,  

bart said

 And then you have to plan your route with a hill at the destination so you can bump it down the bank to start it !   Only any good if you ride in circles ..  

It was just a thought. He may have someone at home to help, and if he is just going out for a ride round and coming back he would be ok. It may start easier once its warm......

Current bikes......1958 D5, a 77 Suzuki GT250 and a 77 Honda CB125S. I have a 74 Kawasaki S3 400 and a B175 waiting for restoration. A 1980 Honda CB400N waiting for MOT.  Everyday ride is a 2011 Harley Davidson Sportster. 

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With one knee replaced and another heading that way I bought a roller starter for those hard to start times, eg. after I’d rebuilt an engine, fitted a new part etc. Not sure how a hip compares, but my thinking was to reduce stress on my knee when I could, saving it for when I needed it when out and about.

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Pootle said
With one knee replaced and another heading that way I bought a roller starter for those hard to start times, eg. after I’d rebuilt an engine, fitted a new part etc. Not sure how a hip compares, but my thinking was to reduce stress on my knee when I could, saving it for when I needed it when out and about.  

There you go! I thought it was a fair suggestion. Thank you Pootle, I feel vindicated! haha

Current bikes......1958 D5, a 77 Suzuki GT250 and a 77 Honda CB125S. I have a 74 Kawasaki S3 400 and a B175 waiting for restoration. A 1980 Honda CB400N waiting for MOT.  Everyday ride is a 2011 Harley Davidson Sportster. 

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pootle says he bought one.. not he tried it out ,,The snag with them is that you are in gear ..the bike overpowers the roller drive you whip the clutch in  bike stalls rollers still running. cannot find neutral...vague panic let go front brake rollers overpower bike  ...

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