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Mike E.
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After seeing some photos in a book on Bantams, I discovered the reason for the two prongs under the petrol tank on my recently acquired D3 bike. I saw a tyre pump specifically for this application advertised on line, and though the price seemed quite high, I purchased one. What arrived was unacceptable, and fair enough, the seller gave a full refund.

Does anyone here have an "original" under the tank pump ?  If so, it would be appreciated if you could post some detailed photos so it would be easier to recognise one when searching.  Based on the times, I assume the original pump housing and components were all well constructed and mostly of metal. Unfortunately, the current offering left much to be desired as a proper tool. 

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Yes, I still have the factory pump for my D1, although I have never used the bike with it fitted. I will dig it out and get some pictures for you. 

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November 15, 2020 - 5:46 pm
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And yes, it’s just a basic bicycle pump, but a sturdy one with a metal barrel and bakelite type handle. 

 

And, in all fairness, probably utterly rubbish if you had to rely on it to keep your tyres pumped up. 

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Hi Glen, Thanks, I look forward to seeing the photos. When I was young I remember having a similar style but much longer version of the pump, and it was quite robust; only cost a dollar back in the 1960's, lol.

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Mike E

This site appear to have/have had original bantam/BSA pumps for sale. There are photos of them so may give you an idea of what to look for. Be interesting to see glens photo of his original one to compare 

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i  think  the first  were   metal          later  are  said  to be  plasick       after  haveing  stuff  nicked  from  my  m/cccals   any  old   broom  handle 

wiill  do    to   set   the  look    

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I have an old aluminium cycle pump I found at a car boot sale. Fits well but is normally  left off.

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Hi Alan,

I see pumps were made by both Apex and Motoplas. The one I received was marked BSA Motoplas armoury road etc., which had a very thin flimsy plastic tube with the plunger rod made of a poorly rolled piece of sheet metal instead of proper tubing; at least the plastic tyre pump I purchased awhile back at the Pound Shop was of better construction, and had a plunger rod that was welded rather than it having an "open" longitudinal seam.

In post number three Glen said his original was, "utter rubbish if you had to rely on it to keep your tyres pumped up". Even though I haven't seen it, I would be confident that Glen's tyre pump was far superior in build quality compared to the current "new" BSA marked offering I purchased on line.  

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sunny said
i  think  the first  were   metal          later  are  said  to be  plasick       after  haveing  stuff  nicked  from  my  m/cccals   any  old   broom  handle 

wiill  do    to   set   the  look      

Hi sunny,

Thanks for the idea, but I think I'll pass on the broomstick option; it's not about "the look". I want to keep an actual functioning tyre pump, spare tube, and tool kit with the bike as most of my rides will be on back country roads where I'll most likely have to deal with repairs myself.

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I have an old aluminium cycle pump I found at a car boot sale. Fits well but is normally  left off.  

Thanks cocorico,

Nice to know other non BSA brand pumps have been made that might also fit.

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Another possible option ... http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/imagex/misc/4chsmu1.gif

I've got a BMW R-series twins hand pump which fits perfectly –

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Haven't got the bike anymore but I kept the pump – it didn't have one when I got it but bought a new one from Motobins, it's mostly all plastic but does work, and virtually still like new. This would be about 25 years ago when I bought it. Not sure how easy you can get them now, as BMW stopped having them made, and therefore have also become "collector's items", aka, loadsa money for old tat.

I can actually pump a motorbike tyre with it, but it is more hard work than a foot pump though! Not sure if a bicycle would be easier but as their pressures seem to be higher, probably not.

There's a place in America sells patterns, say they're made in Europe, can't find out where or how to purchase over here. You're looking at about $35 plus shipping.

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Here you go, pictures as promised. 

It’s branded “Monsoon”, has a steel barrel, leather washer and quite a long flexible hose. 

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GlenAnderson said
Here you go, pictures as promised. 

It’s branded “Monsoon”, has a steel barrel, leather washer and quite a long flexible hose. 

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Thanks for taking the time to upload the detailed photos. Monsoon, ok another brand to look out for, so there was indeed a variety of manufacturers making pumps to fit the Bantams. Unlike the Motoplas pump, I see there appears to be metal caps on the ends of your pump tube; would either of these be removable for servicing or replacing the leather washer ?

Knowing about different brands of pumps that were used on Bantams, might benefit searches by discovering good pumps for a fair price while they are still under the dealers radar.

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Another possible option ... http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/imagex/misc/4chsmu1.gif

I've got a BMW R-series twins hand pump which fits perfectly –

Bantam_2992.jpg

Haven't got the bike anymore but I kept the pump – it didn't have one when I got it but bought a new one from Motobins, it's mostly all plastic but does work, and virtually still like new. This would be about 25 years ago when I bought it. Not sure how easy you can get them now, as BMW stopped having them made, and therefore have also become "collector's items", aka, loadsa money for old tat.

I can actually pump a motorbike tyre with it, but it is more hard work than a foot pump though! Not sure if a bicycle would be easier but as their pressures seem to be higher, probably not.

There's a place in America sells patterns, say they're made in Europe, can't find out where or how to purchase over here. You're looking at about $35 plus shipping.

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Thanks for the photo and link. The Motoplas pump I received had a small crimped ring on the end of the inflation hose that was stamped with the word "France" on it, which might help narrow down a European search.

EDIT: Just had a look online, and entered "old bicycle pump" in search, and an interesting listing appears for brand new 300mm Chromed Steel pumps. The seller is a bicycle shop in France, and I'm thinking about taking a punt on one. 1230 3081 0724 is the Bay item number for anyone who might be interested ?

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Yes, you can unscrew the fitting at the handle end of the tube to get at the (leather) washer inside. 

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The chromed pump from France has an adaptor for a Presta valve.  Wouldn't you need an adaptor for a Schraeder valve?

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Glen's looks like the real thing. The "authentic" ones that I've sen online look like junk with a stencil. I spent a while looking for a decent old bike pump but a lot of the prices were daft. 

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Glen's looks like the real thing. The "authentic" ones that I've sen online look like junk with a stencil. I spent a while looking for a decent old bike pump but a lot of the prices were daft.   

Well, it’s certainly the one that was fitted under the tank when we got the bike in 1978. I can’t say for certain that it’s definitely the original, but every other aspect of the bike was present and correct, and the lady we bought it from had owned it from new, so I think it’s a reasonable assumption. We also got the full tool kit, manual, running-in instructions, a letter from BSA detailing some parts numbers for a rebore/top end overhaul, and every tax disc from new. 

I have never carried the pump, for the twin reasons of it being pretty ineffective at pumping up tyres, and also that it would likely be very attractive to the light-fingered. 

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thornebt said
The chromed pump from France has an adaptor for a Presta valve.  Wouldn't you need an adaptor for a Schraeder valve?  

Hi thornebt,

I noticed that too, however a Schraeder adapter can be bought for around a couple of pounds so it's not really a deal breaker. The chrome pump from France, even with postage seems reasonable. Locating a good original Bantam pump may be like finding a polar bear in the desert, but one never knows. If by the end of this month if I don't get lucky, I will most likely take a chance on ordering the one from France before the Brexit situation causes added expense from purchases across the pond.

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Stoo63 said
Glen's looks like the real thing. The "authentic" ones that I've sen online look like junk with a stencil. I spent a while looking for a decent old bike pump but a lot of the prices were daft.   

Hi Stoo,

That's high praise indeed for the stencilled "authentic" ones online, but from my recent experience I would have to agree with you. exactly

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Hi 🙂

check this idea also. you can easily modify one. I did for the D1 and the Cub.

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Just saw your description in the other post and replied there. Yeah, I'll look for a suitable pump and have a DIY go at making one. thank-you

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