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greaser58
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A bantam i have just acquired,has the frame number PC12189D1413,the D1413 bit doesn,t seem right looking at the frame /engine number chart on here.Any info appreciated. 

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hi,it could be,i haven,t actually checked the frame,thats what is on the v5.what would that make it?

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"P" is November and "C" is Aug '68 - Jul'69, I think, according to this list

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I'm sure swalsh58 will be along soon to give you all the info available.

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greaser58 said
hi,it could be,i haven,t actually checked the frame,thats what is on the v5.what would that make it?  

Don’t ever take the frame number from the V5. Ever. Did I mention ever? DVLA  made lots of transcription errors when records were transferred to digital. Always take the number from the frame, then you know what you have, no matter what mistakes DVLA have made.

PC is the date code, which is P for November and C for 1968. That could be exactly what Mick has said, as the D14 is right for 68 - PC 12189 D14 B. It’s a common mistake for DVLA to take a B and convert it to a 13, put the 3 close to the 1 and it becomes.........

Check the number on the bike and PM me and I will give you the info from the factory records if you are interested?

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As Mr Walsh says - but probably best not to try and persuade DVLA they have got it wrong! Might cause all sorts of problems?

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cocorico said
As Mr Walsh says - but probably best not to try and persuade DVLA they have got it wrong! Might cause all sorts of problems?  

Absolutely, they can be very awkward about such things so leave well alone.

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swalsh58 said

Absolutely, they can be very awkward about such things so leave well alone.  

My experience is that they will correct transcription errors, but that you need to be absolutely 100% with your information and evidence. Clear photos, factory records, and an error that is easily made (B to 13 or 8, S to 5, or simple transpositions: 335 to 355, that kind of thing). If they think the error is theirs then they normally sort things with no fuss, but if they get even a whiff of an idea that anything isn’t quite right, or that you’re trying to fiddle something, then they can be very difficult. I suspect they have some kind of system that flags up suspect vehicles, or that they get put on to. 

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The DVLA are like I lot of similar places, if you speak to the right person then you're golden, if you speak to the wrong person then you'd be better off speaking to the dog.

As a motorcycle instructor I've known many people have entitlements removed (or added!) including the HGV entitlement of a HGV examiner, and usually their response was "send us your pass certificate or take your test again", however I've also had smooth dealings such as when I changed my car body type to "estate" from "saloon" which just needed a quick photo and it was done. 

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