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Lone Wolf
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April 6, 2021 - 6:47 pm
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Wotcha.

A friend has just acquired a plunger D3.

It's been restored a few years back . . . .now the fun starts.

The old chap he bought it off can't find the log book.

 

We have the registration number   YHA 80   - so it's a fair bet that it was supplied to Copes originally

The engine number BD3B 11429 . . . which suggests a battery model, whereas this bike is single switch and no battery fitted ( or toolbox for that matter )

We've looked under the paintwork for the frame number - so far we ain't found it.  It's not on the headstock, it's not on the front engine mounting, and so far we ain't found it on the front downtube.

How does he stand on getting it registered if the elusive frame number doesn't turn up ?

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Is the identity “live” on the DVLA system? If so, a professional HPI check by someone with a trader’s account would reveal the number that’s on record. 

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Is the identity “live” on the DVLA system?    

Wotcha.

The number does not appear to be on the DVLA system.

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In that case, without the logbook or other paperwork, even if the frame number was clearly legible, you’d be unlikely to be able to retain the original number plate. 

It might be possible to cross reference factory build sheets to identify the frame number that engine left the factory with, but I don’t know if it would be an easy task. 

The number could be hiding under the paint? 

I think you’re best off waiting for a response from the dating officer (or contacting them direct), because how you proceed from here depends on what you want to accomplish at the end of the day. Getting an age related registration shouldn’t be too much of an issue, but you will need a frame number, one way or another. 

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GlenAnderson said

The number could be hiding under the paint? 

. . . . . . but you will need a frame number, one way or another.   

Wotcha.

So far all the paint applied by the previous owner during restoration has been removed from the headstock, the front engine plates, the front frame down tube . . . . and there's been no sign of a number.  I know he was going to remove even more paint last night, but I don't know if he's found it yet.

 

As I told him  "You will need a frame number"

 

Bantams - all good fun since 1948 laugh

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On my '56 D3 it's on the headstock, above the level of the steering stop / lock & lower nipple and below the tank mount.

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Hi Looking at the BSA Factory records , there is a duplicate entry for the frame number 6336, basically there's two entries for frame 6336  with engines 17435 and 17436 squozed  in the line , and different dealerships despatched to.

Its was despatched on 21/3/56 

These are hand written some times scribbled books , and they probably didn't expect them to be used  to long after the machines being despatched  or even as far as  2021.

You can apply for an age related plate process.

If you have any record of the original registration , you will need a Pre 1983 documentation to support this .

Original logbook 

Local council archives office documents that has the frame number and original registration on he same document .

Have a look at the BSA Bantam Clubs registration & dating for an in depth view and details .

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Lennon66 said
Hi Looking at the BSA Factory records , there is a duplicate entry for the frame number 6336, basically there's two entries for frame 6336  with engines 17435 and 17436 squozed  in the line , and different dealerships despatched to.

Tim   

Wotcha.

That is Cocorico's frame number.

So far, the frame number is eluding us on this particular D3.

 

I think my friend's best option is to take the bike back to the fellow he bought it from and get his money back.  It's not looking good frame-number wise.

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Lone Wolf said
...That is Cocorico's frame number...

And it's attached to 17435. It went to Elite in Tooting.

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Wotcha.

This 'ere plunger D3 now has a new frame . . . .  with a number.

So at least he should be able to get an age related plate for it.

 

Of course, Mr. Idiot here is the one sorting it out for him.  Still, I suppose that's what friends are for 🙂

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Hi 

Are you saying that  you have  got another frame with a clear frame number , and you now want to do a age related plate application.

 

if you email me at ** Please log in to view **

I will help you with the process .

thanks 

 

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Lennon66 said
Hi 

Are you saying that  you have  got another frame with a clear frame number , and you now want to do a age related plate application.

 

if you email me at ** Please log in to view **

I will help you with the process .

thanks 

 

Tim   

Wotcha.

Hopefully all the relevant paperwork is with you now. . . . or will be very shortly.

Cheers.

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Ok thanks ,

I'll let you know , if all is ok and process the application .

 

thanks 

 

Tim 

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Wotcha.

The log book and age related number arrived with my friend earlier this week.

Thanks for all the help in sorting this out . . . . another Bantam lives to ride another day.

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Hi 

 

That's great news ....

 

Thanks for letting us know 

 

Tim 

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