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One D3 Day at a Time (or The Blind leading the Stupid!)
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here's some snaps from my ongoing battles with something I barely understand at all (a Bantam D3 Major)...I love it, and have little-to-no idea what I'm doing!
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/Picture5.png
as she was upon arrival...(looks way sharper in the pic than in real-life...for example, front-forks set up backwards...wheels smothered in silver paint, 'exhaust' made up of about 6 different sections of what feels like lead pipe, cobbled together with horseshoe bolts (each section leaky) and a silencer which looks like it was fashioned out of a bit of old drain-pipe painted silver! all wiring/lights shot, center-stand, toolbox & chain-guard missing...but otherwise pretty much there, and an engine which thus far has fired up 2nd kick or so, regardless of arctic conditions...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/superglue.jpg
finger + spanner % spanner slipping x January weather = super glue.

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010386.jpg
undressing continues...front folks are restored (missing bits - spaces, washers, etc & perished rubber bits replaced, and forks re-assembled the right way round), tank off to get at wiring and for a reappraiseal of dodgy paint work, center-stand acquired and attached, wildly bent/ad-hoc foot-rest bar & fixings done away with & replaced wholesale, dodgy exhaust system done away with...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010414.jpg
silver paint stripped from rim revealed completely shot chrome, large chucks of which are falling away...a liberal sanding/anti-rust treatment and a home-made spray booth later and the front rims painted in special rust-treating black paint...awaiting fully hardening before the tire/tube goes back on and I have a rolling chassis once again...I sprayed it in the garage with the conveniently positioned tumble dryer on full whack to heat up the space a bit to aid the paint taking!

Stop Plate Lore
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010383.jpg
I had to unbolt/raise the engine (on a car jack) in order to get to this blighter! (I don't think you usually should have to do this, but the recess in the engine casing which looks to me like should be there to allow the right-hand bolt out of the brake stop-plate just didn't align for me, hence the engine levitation...anyhoos, I got it out and it looked like this...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010389.jpg
...which is a damned sight better than the crappy pattern part stop plate I had unwittingly spent 4 quid on...after about 2 hours of drilling the holes out so there were vaguely in the right place, I realized that the whole pattern part was just plain wrong...the arch was too shallow to fit over the lug of the frame, the holes were way out, the arm that the return spring clips onto seemed weirdly short...I gave up on the new part as a (really, really!) bad job, heated & bent the old one back into shape, and reinstated it with a vow to avoid crappy pattern parts again as much as possible

Necessity as the Mother of Invention
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010388.jpg
or was it Zappa? either ways, I was missing the small pivot thing for the center-stand return spring 'C' shaped thing, so I ad-hoc-ed one out of an old nut&bolt (cutting the head of the bolt so it fits snugly against the frame...
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010390.jpg
more improvisations...I had to make a larger spacer piece (just by cutting/filing a conveniently sized piece of pipe) to fit over the spacer supplied with the foot-rest bar, in order to stop the brake-pedal/return spring from sliding about the place...seems to work out....

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010411.jpg
center-stand/foot-rest bar/foot brake peddle sorted...engine back in frame...exhaust & silence attached...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010406.jpg
as I have little-to-no clue as to what I'm doing (this little D3 is my first foray into the greasy world of iron horses...or ponies in this case) I'm kinda just putting/making things fit where them seem to want (or not as the case more usually is!) to fit...how do the angles/fit of the exhaust/silencer look to the more experienced among the congregation? seem okay? it's a tight fit, but the kick-start does miss the silencer...just...
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010408.jpg

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tank taped-up and awaiting a striping/re-conditioning...(you can't really tell in this photo, but the cream looks like its been liberally applied with a cheap brush and maybe even using glossy wall paint?! its ugly, and the Bantam decals are cracking and also sketchily applied...so I'm gonna get rid...also, I know it'll probably seem like sacrilege to say so on here, but I'm half toying with the idea of doing some sort of custom paint job within the classic Bantam tank-oval...we'll see...?

more photos/progress/lack of...as & when it occurs...

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dave

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You seem to be doing OK ? I'm like you I often knock up odd brackets etc myself as its normally quicker, cheaper and if you do it yourself it fits !
Its amazing what you can knock up with simple tools, hacksaw, file, drill, angle grinder, hammer and a vice, I keep a stock of flat steel, angle and plate, both mild steel and stainless that seems to cover most things, and I have also "re-cycled" some old parts into something else. matbe one day I will go the whole nine yards and get a Lathe as then the skys the limit, spindles, bushes etc etc and no more searching around for parts just knock it up myself.
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Loving reading this 🙂

My D1's footrest bar arrangement is a bit ropey - the spacers are home made and don't even have square ends. The washers are the wrong size and so seem to lead the rubber gradually working their was off the end of the bar. The plate and the stop have worn and been repaired with blobs of weld - which look poor but seem to be serving their purpose well enough.

I did think about replacing the whole lot - but was somewhat shocked at the price of it all and had concerns over the quality of the parts. For the time being on mine it works - so I'll mull it over for a while....

You're doing a good job there though !

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Nice bit of progress there.

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cheers folks...

I'll hopefully be tinkering some tomorrow, so shall post some more snaps in anything striking occurs!

cheers,

dave

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been a while since lady life has allowed me a minute or two to get on with the bike, but I managed to steal a moment today to fiddle some more...
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010548.jpg
after a bit of faffing about with the front mud guard assembly (which, when I acquired the bike had, along with the front folks, been set up backwards) I discovered that some kinda bodge job had happened at some point in the mudguards life, as the holes to attach it to the stays were drilled in completely the wrong place, so will have to be filled, repainted and new one's drilled at some point...

in the mean time though, I wanted a rolling chassis again, so stuck the front wheel in regardless...which leads me to ask this question, as a fan of the stripped-down bobber look, and being somewhat taken with the stance/look of my bantam without the front mud guard on there, could I do without? is a front mud guard a legal/MOT requirement in this country? and also the same question regarding a chain guard, as I don't have one of them, and finding one for my swing-arm D3 seems to be in the hen's toof category, and to be honest, I'd quite happily do without...any suggestions/legal advice?

next up's the wiring...which is something I have beyond no idea about...oi vey!

more snaps as & when...

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a front mudguard should be fitted but it can be `abbreviated`, some people do run without them but after going through the first puddle without one you will change your mind, chain guard is only mandatory if you have rear footrests fitted,

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Maybe you should look out for a D1/3 chainguard and do a bit of modification ? I don't know but should think the chainguard on a swinging arm model is a bit longer but otherwise quite similar, nothing a welding set (and possibly an angle grinder) and some steel plate can't sort.
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My D7 Trail runs with no front mudguard, no chain guard and no lights as they were not fitted when the bike left the BSA Factory in 1963. The criteria according to my MOT inspector for the front mudguard seems to be, if it is a structural part of the front suspension it must be fitted if not you can leave it off.
Interesting comment re the pasenger foot rests as mine has these fitted as well, the guy who MOT's my bikes is usually pretty hot on the legalities. shan't be pointing it out to him though.
Good point about the wet, I took the D7 out on boxing day to a motorcycle rally, road was a bit damp. when I got home I was splatered along with the bike.

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So, it seems like it's been a while since I stuck anything up on here...life happens too fast by half...so it goes. Still, some progress has, um, progressed, and here it is...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010625.jpg

evil-bay was kind to me (for once) and I scored a tool-box, a left-hand side panel and a chain-guard over the space of a few days, all care of the same old grey D3 Swing-arm, which some fella in Leicester was breaking...and non of it broke the bank either...ya win some, ya lose some. (seen here during the 'Kurust' treatment stage)

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010781.jpg

reconditioned an old and decrepit front mudguard...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010612.jpg

closer inspection reveals a rear mudguard (or, more accurately, bits of 2 rear mudguards) with an interesting past life...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010708.jpg

bits left out in the garden slowly turn red shocker! read the local headlines.

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010836.jpg

bits left inside despite reckless paint on carpet inspired murder warnings...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010844.jpg

rear-end almost sorted. featuring O.O.S. (old, old stock) light and break-switch care of Howard and some wiring...the break-switch/light/wiring even works! (with a battery hooked up to test, I've not been able to fire the old girl up recently to check whether-or-not the coils will actually kick out any juice as I've had the tank off for a re-paint...here's to hoping...)

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010846.jpg

during all this, Easter happened, which saw me with enough time off work to go to London to see a gig & some friends, and then ride my old 5 Speed Coventry Eagle the 150 miles back up to Nottingham...here she is in the guise of pack-mule (the first day it rained non-stop, the second was glorious...the route consisted almost entirely of beautiful b-roads, which made me hanker to get the Bantam done and repeat the trip, albeit with (slightly) more power than peddle...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010849.jpg

mid-point rest-stop (somewhere near Bedford)

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010873.jpg

Mud-guard stay lore. As you can see, I was lacking...

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010875.jpg

a quick trip to the Newark Auto-jumble and a couple of quid later and these rusty bits of crap felt the wrath of my angle-grinder, vice and rattle-cans.

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010883.jpg

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http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010907.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010914.jpg

phew, and here she is up to date...still a bit to do...hook up front brake, align front & back wheels, figure out some way of attaching the solo-saddle (the lugs on the swing-arm don't meet up with the lugs/springs of the saddle, so some creative bodgery will be in order), reconnect the petrol line, put some 2stroke through 'er & see if she'll start up again (?!), check the coils for power output, and then sort out the rest of the wiring loom/switches/head-lamp out... and by then the dvla stuff will have hopefully come through, and I'll be on the road to getting my bike license (I have a preliminary lesson this coming Friday...hopefully I can get all that sorted with a minimum of fuss/expense?) and then m.o.t.s and then up, up & aWAYYYYYYY

enshallah, enshallah.

 

cheers for now...

 

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p.s. before the purists cast me out as a charlatan and a blaggard,  I know the logo's not the correct one, but sometimes you've just gotta go with what ya feel...

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well, a welcome turn up for the books happened today...I went along to the local bike lesson/test place for an hour long 'taster' lesson, and cos it seemed to go well, and they were quiet in terms of bookings today, I ended up doing my CBT there and then...it was great to be out and about, bombing around the roads for a bit...next step, all that other legal stuff and get the D3 up & running and away we go...yeeehaw!

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great, hope the cbt and test go well, it will be nice for you to get out on a real bike ! (remember the brakes may not be as good as school`s bikes)

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Good luck Dave, a great read, thanks for sharingthumbs-up

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Dave !

Brilliant ! I'd missed the painting update until now somehow.. And you're doing a great job. The stays look fantastic and I'm really impressed with your tank. Could you describe how you did the side panels ?

Congratulations on the cbt too thumbs-up

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cheers folks...yeah, the CBT was good fun, and nice to get it out the way quite unexpectedly to...gonna try and get my theory test booked as soon as possible and I've got a 2 hour lesson booked for next Friday, hopefully with the end result being applying to do the various parts of my full test...the means of obtaining a full-license seems quite a minefield of confusion as far as I can tell, although the fellas at the shop seem heartened/bemused about the fact I'm doing all this to ride about on a 50 odd year old BSA, and sympathetic to my meager means, in terms of getting me through it all as cheaply and quickly as possible, so we'll see...also, Bart, to be honest, I'm not sure the rusty old 125cc Kawaski I did the CBT on would out perform the Bantam in any respects? certainly not the breaking, which seemed on a par with my old pushbike! I did hit 60mph on it though, briefly...

As far as the paint work goes...oh man, it was no good for my nerves! I kinda just bluffed my way through it to be honest...firstly, I got rid of the cream panel on the Petrol Tank, as it had been painted really badly at some point, by taping off around the outside of the panel, applying Nitromors, and then good old elbow grease to get it down to bare metal

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q489/davethbevan/P1010605.jpg

then, whilst still masked-off, I repainted the cream panel with Montana 'bone-white' spray paint, which is a paint that is specially designed for graffiti writers, thus it is very high quality, covers owt (and fills minor chips, etc, it acts well as a primer to) in only a few light coats, and costs only around £3/4 per tin...I really recommend it to be honest, particularly over the crap Halfords sells at twice the price (unfortunately, I've had to use a bit of the Halfords stuff, as the red of the bike is painted is a shade of Halfords red, and I like the color, and couldn't face repainting everything...if I was to be doing so though, I'd go with Montana paint, or some other specialist paint every time)

then, when fully hardened, I masked off the cream panels and repainted the rest of the tank to tidy it up...along with the sanded & primed side panels, toolbox, mudguards, etc...

and then the great pin-striping ordeal began! firstly I tried this stuff -

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then I toyed with doing it freehand, and found I was far too shaky, so I then tried masked out the pinstriped areas with this stuff

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personally, I think the best thing for future use would be to mask off the long straight lines and trust my hand/eye to handle the curves, as the tape (pin-striping or fine masking-) really didn't cut it I found...

phew!

more fettlin' today...hopefully she'll be kind to me...

cheers.

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Dave , to be honest most folk don't see the imperfections like you would, they just see the overall picture and anyway it's your bike and you've done your bestsmile

 

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i-agree

 

I think your bike looks fantastic - I really like it. If / when I get to repaint my D1 I'd like to copy your colour scheme. I'm particularly surprised at how good the black wheels look with the red and black frame. 

I had discounted black wheels on mine because I'd seen a mist green D1 with black wheels and wasn't keen - with the red though the wheels are toned down, and going with the black frame it forms a nice cohesive look.

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I also think the single seat is a great move - it moves it more toward the look of a plunger model.

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yeah, I love the stance of a plunger/rigid-rear machine...something pleasingly simple about it...less is more, etc... It'll take a bit of creative bodgery to get the solo-saddle to fit in the swing-arm frame I reckon...but that's half the fun, no?

the black rims were mainly born out of necessity, as when I stripped the liberally applied silver paint from the rims, they pretty much fell apart under my efforts...also, I'd seen an Indian Chief (I think...) somewhere that was red with black rims and fell in love with it...something nicely utilitarian about black rims...so I figured I'd go for a smaller-scale (in every respect!) version with me D3.

the colors used are as follows: Halfords Peugeot Capiscum Red, Montana Bone White, a budget version of aerosol Hammerite black from Lidl and normal black enamel for the pin-striping...the red's a nice shade, but I really wasn't impressed with the cost/quality of the Halfords stuff...so it goes.

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I re-set the points timing today (as per the Pitman's book - 0.015 when fully open or some such thing...anyone have any experience with that?) and started to tackle the loom/switch/headlamp...need to get a new fuel line before I can hook up the tank and see what my experiments with the points will have achieved (or not as the case may be?) and check to see what voltage, if any the generator is kicking out in order to power the loom/lights/etc...little steps, but steps non-the-less...

pip-pip

 

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Good luck with the training/test.thumbs-up

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