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January 21, 2021 - 11:40 am
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Plenty for you to go at, just looking at your photos on the trailer, looks like the rear mudguard is from a rigid frame. 

The plunger type is valanced all the way round, not sure how this will work with plungers moving. 

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January 21, 2021 - 11:40 pm
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Had/ have similar 'crack' on my '59. Various opinions** Please log in to view **

 '55 D3 Battery; '58 Square Four (project); '59 D1 direct lighting plunger; '59 Tiger Cub; '60 5TA;  '76 FS1-E; '91 GTR 1000;  '97 Honda Sky SGX50.

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January 23, 2021 - 8:46 am
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Ok, Thanks to everyone for all the info.  Yes, it looks like the rear mudguard may be from a Rigid frame, but I'll give it a go anyway....

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January 23, 2021 - 10:06 am
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You might find someone keen to swap the mudguard. Rigid ones are thin on the ground. 

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looks  like  it  was already  fited    so  id  fit  it     this  is  Australia       it mite  never   get   any   rain    

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February 18, 2021 - 7:49 am
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Good evening once again to all.

Further to this restoration. I have now repaired the stop plate stand, I have all the bits,  and have sent off for front and rear mudguards. You were right Sunny, the rear one is from a Rigid, so I am replacing both.

I also received the new seat today and can make up 2 lugs and weld them to the frame in readiness for painting.

If you look at previous pictures, you will notice that, for some unknown reason, a previous owner has broken off the top of the lugs that the seat bolts on to.

I just wondered if some kind soul with an unmolested frame would measure the centers from the bottom hole of the lugs, where the tank bolts on to, to the top hole where the seat bolts on. Then I'll be able to get the angle of the seat right.

Thanks again everyone and take care..  Phil

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February 22, 2021 - 8:25 pm
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Hi Phil, that's good news, just measured my frame an it's 60mm centres, bolt hole is the same, 5/16 bsf.

You can see the upper part in the photo, 16140253323341369308575.jpg

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February 24, 2021 - 5:39 am
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Rhi010. Thank you so much. A real help. Will weld the lugs on, then I'm  just about ready to do some painting. Cheers

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Hi again everyone... Things are looking a bit different now, frame repaired and painted, Footplate supports all welded on and secure , rear springs nearly ready to put on...tried the chrome paint on the spring shrouds... wasn't really impressed though..pictures really tell the progress.

Tank cleaned and sealed inside ready for painting........And of course a big thanks to everyone who has helped me with some questions I had. 3 more questions coming up though.

1) What stops the brake pedal from moving to the left on the footpeg bar? 

2)Surely there is a rubber washer where the front of the rear mudguard bolts on to the rear of the frame behind the engine ? Can't be metal to metal ?...

3) ( here's a dumb one) How does the fuel get from one side of the fuel tank to the other ? 

Thanks very much everyone again, great reading on this forum.

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OK Posted some pictures but it seems they are too big. Next project...learn how to make pictures smaller....

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Hi Mate, cannot answer 1 and 2 but can offer some thougts on 3:

The fuel sloshes about in there and as you throw the bike into corners with your knee to the tarmac like Bazz Sheene some of the fuel on the right makes its way to the left etc. It is also a crude sort of 'fuel reserve' in that when it coughs and bangs to a stop through running out of go-juice on the left you can lay it over on its left side and get a bit to splosh over from the right. That might be enough to get you another 5 - 10 miles depending....etc

In my youth it was not un-usual to see people laying their bikes over and shaking them...sort of a Friday morning ritualistic tribal dance to get the last of it over to the left before the payday fill-up.

Despite all my efforts, shaking and swearing etc  I am always surprised at how much fuel is retained on the right. Bantam bikemanship....happy days.

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hi Phil   to  ancer   no 1 in post  29   its   4 washers  2 off  p/no  2/188  and  2   off   biger   p/no  24/ 5914    go  on  the f/rest  rod  

     no 2  on  29    .,.,  i  dont   think  any   rubers   are  used    

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May 6, 2021 - 7:26 pm
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Phil53 said
Hi again everyone... Things are looking a bit different now, frame repaired and painted, Footplate supports all welded on and secure , rear springs nearly ready to put on...tried the chrome paint on the spring shrouds... wasn't really impressed though..pictures really tell the progress.

Tank cleaned and sealed inside ready for painting........And of course a big thanks to everyone who has helped me with some questions I had. 3 more questions coming up though.

1) What stops the brake pedal from moving to the left on the footpeg bar? 

2)Surely there is a rubber washer where the front of the rear mudguard bolts on to the rear of the frame behind the engine ? Can't be metal to metal ?...

3) ( here's a dumb one) How does the fuel get from one side of the fuel tank to the other ? 

Thanks very much everyone again, great reading on this forum.

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OK Posted some pictures but it seems they are too big. Next project...learn how to make pictures smaller....  

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1. I had to put a washer on.

2. Purists may be appalled freaked-out_gif but I don't bother with this one. Certainly there is a gap; if I put a nut and bolt iin and pulled it up, the stud and rear plunger top mount holes wouldn't line up, or the mudguard be stressed. Didn't bother on the D3 I had either, mainly because I'd no idea there was even supposed to be a bolt there. Also, much much easier to whip off the mudguard if you have to. thumbs-up

3. What Sponge said.

4. There is no 4.

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Murphy's 4th law of motion states that any small object that is accidentally dropped will immediately hide itself under a larger object.

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May 6, 2021 - 11:27 pm
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Hi everyone again, Thanks to Sponge, sunny & #6 for your very informative answers to my questions.

Here are the pictures that I meant to attach with my last post.Chrome-shrouds.jpgFuel-Tank-1.jpgPainted-frame-1.jpgPlungers-shrouds-1.jpg

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May 6, 2021 - 11:42 pm
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Houston, we have a problem !

I seem to have 2 problems here. 1) I bought a rear mudguard from India  2) I bought a rear mudguard from India.

When I bought the Bike, It came with a rear mudguard from a Rigid frame, so I purchased  front and back for a plunger from a supplier in India, reasonable price as well.... Obviously, the right mudguard for a plunger with the full valanceBad-fitting-mudguard-1.jpgBantam-with-Bad-fitting-mudguard.jpgBantam-with-rigid-mudguard-1.jpgBantam-with-Rigid-mudguard.jpg, but the wrong shape. Any suggestions ? Other than throwing it over the left shoulder ??

I have 2 options, mutilate the bought one until it fits, or put the old one back on which fits well, but doesn't really appeal....

More lessons learned !

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hi  Phil      INDA   is  not  silly        the  full  valance   mudgard  is  for  a  wider   300 x19 "  rear  wheel   on  BSA s  C 11 L   plunger   frame   thay  do  fit with a  it of  work   and  look  the  part   done  well      ,.,the   rigid   gard      look   good  in    the  frunt    with  the  valance  by  the  engine   but as you  have  the   corect   garde   you  dont  need  the  rigid  gard      i  dont  see  you  haveing   any  problam   you   cannot   work  out  to  fit  the  plunger    gard     as it  has  been  done   befor

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I disagree Sunny, I don’t think that there’s any way you can make that Indian guard fit and not look utterly ridiculous. It looks to be physically too big for even a heavyweight BSA. 

If it wasn’t so frustrating it’d be comical. 

In your position Phil, I’d use the rigid mudguard you already have, and keep my eyes peeled for a genuine plunger one at the right money. 

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What were they thinking?? How big do they think a Bantam wheel is??? freaked-out_gif

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May 7, 2021 - 11:59 pm
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Firstly great progress, looks like you have made a nice job of the footrest repair.

That mudguard is terrible, radius is to large, if you put the two together I think it will be a long way out.

Rigid mudguard is you best bet, just check you have enough clearance on full plunger travel.

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rhi010 said

Rigid mudguard is you best bet, just check you have enough clearance on full plunger travel.  

That occurred to me too. Should be about 2 inches. Or maybe 2.1.

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Hi all again, and thanks for all your replies.

Sunny, I agree with you, some great stuff comes from India, first thing I bought was a seat...great price, great seat, so I had great confidence in purchasing the mudguards......but this was definitely advertised as a front and rear mudguard set for a D1, but obviously isn't.

Not too disappointed, cry I shall take the advice from rhi010 and tidy up the rigid guards and fit them, in fact I think the rigid guard looks better than the full valance. And yes #6, I shall test the clearance first, thanks for that. And over time I shall probably play with the new guard and see if I can cut it to fit. ....If I make a mess of it, well not too much lost. I certainly can't re sell it and it wasn't all that expensive, so not too much lost. 

Thanks again guys, always appreciated...

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