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Another D7 started, perhaps a blue one this time.
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Mags 1
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I have the original parts aplenty and the new spares and the time, it's just taken me a while to get myself into the right frame of mind.
I may just rekindle the D14 project at the same time too and do the two instead of a singleton this time.
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I usually dangle frames from roof or ceiling, but this time I used the newly installed vice on the hydro table to hold frame steady.
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Gripped it by the area around swing arm assembly mounting.
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Realised after that it might have been better outside, to give more access to both sides.
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Got out the sanding paper, four different grits, 80, 180, 280 and 400!
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First job though was to give frame a good wash down with thinners. Broke out a two incher from the Tommy Walsh set of brushes too.
Grease or oil getting on to brush would have made whole job a waste of time and effort.
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Time to open up the Aldi paint now, I'd been shaking it for about three full minutes or more with tin upside down, borrowed a kindling stick from stove area and proceeded to stir the paint too for another couple of minutes, time spend doing jobs properly and well are never wasted. 
You have to give things a proper chance if you want results, rushing about at important times gives you years later to ponder upon your haste!
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This was two days ago of course, not cold, but I did light the stove up and open door to get any dampness out of the air.
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First coat on , I'd used up one sheet of ally oxide paper cut into four useable pieces, maybe I should really have used a lot more?
Only twelve brushfulls and it's covered, paint does go on nicely though, neither brushing out like some thin stuff, nor hanging there and dripping like otyhers, I like it so far.
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Frame still wasn't properly dry 24 hours later, yesterday, so I moved it to right next to stove.

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Nothing like a sprayed job of course, but skilled men did turn out beautiful work before sprayers were invented, it's all in the prep of course.
Two brothers, long gone now told me they were letting me into the secret of how they got such lovely results on the old stationary engines that they used to show.
Jack told me it was just paint and sandpaper as he called it.
Let paint dry to hardness then simply sand down until flat again, then get the paint out again.
Maybe 25 or 30 coats like that would certainly build up a good thick layer that would hopefully keep rust at bay.
This frame's not getting that many, I promise you!
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I may have to start again here, although I sanded it well, it's not enough, to be able to see this sight for ever wasn't in my plan, but lamplight is not the best to paint in.
May even have to get some powerful sanding equipment onto it yet.

Paint on D7 frame felt quite dry to the touch this after I was glad to note, did some sanding with the nitrile gloves on before breaking out ther Aldi paint again.
Noticed lots of things, should've used some finer paper, as I was taking off too much new paint, but it was dry right down to primer.
Aldi paint looks more like very dark grey, rather than the black that's written on the tin, especially when you're applying it.
Instead of in the vice again, I used shed doorway to dangle frame from via two hooks together , which did allow me a certain amount of movement, but not quite enough, as I eventually had to turn frame upside down and back to front, to be certain I was covering it completely.
This is of course the same frame that I rethreaded the stand mounting hole in, should have stated that in the first place really.
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Still got a bit 'brush happy' though, a couple of drips bear witness! Better too much than not enough though, it will always sand off again.
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Got the fire going again, it does help I'm sure, area nearest fire dries out much quicker I've found.
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See what I mean about the greyness?
Or is it a trick of the light, camera may have flashed here, not sure.
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Not much change here, but it's early days yet.
Have been thinking about maybe finishing with acrylic spray cans, that's real dark black, but it'll never be fuel proof, Aldi stuff has its own built in varnish or sealer, I'm hoping that is ethanol proof too.
Might pull the D14 out tomorrow, forks and bars are on, alsoi swing arm and centre stand, problem is that paint's been knocked about a bit in the year maybe since I started it, see what tomorrow brings, but have two lots of walks to do tomorropw, so may not have time for shed at all, we'll see...

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This has been in primer for a while, a clean of dirt and dust and it was ready for its first coat of black top coating. Primer was quite flat.
Bracket for rear wheel anchor is not on but I do have it.
I've been torn between fitting it first and not being able to get paint in behind it, or paint then welding and watching new paint burn!
BSA dipped their frames, I believe.
Old bushes are still in it I think, but they'll come out alright, I'm sure, I've fitted about five sets so far, so no surprises there. New ones in stock too...
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First thin coat on, in a couple of days I'll have three items to repaint, instead of one.
If I can get shed warm enough one dry morning, I may put last coat on as a spray finish, we'll see.

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Was glad to find this rear brake anchor bracket still where I'd remembered it, pity I hadn't painted it first though...
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Swing arm loop has had two full days to dry though, so gave it another coat tonight as well, seems I got a bit confused with this swing arm loop for D7 and seat loop for D14 somehow, it'll all come out in the wash though, I'm sure.
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Thirteen front mudguards and none decent enough to just bolt on, maybe it'll be Summer before I can blast outside again, cabinet not really big enough.

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Some of the front 'guards had mud in them or stays etc on them, so they were pulled out to have a look and sort out session.
Leaving the stays on could end up with damage ooer....
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Looks like this one has been glass fibred.
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Two pairs of D7 type and a full set of D14/B175, depending on what type of front forks were used, turned up
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More blasting and pasinting though.

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Decided to get other two parts of sub frame attached to main this after, spent more time with Glen earlier and didn't start until after three pm, but you can get things done still if you have it clear in your mind what you want to do.
That was part of the problem, I ought to have got frame all together first before painting,  constant handling with oily hands and having to force things like inserting swing arm pin here, are not conducive to perfect paintwork.
Getting pin in was a job for the Chinese 12 ton press, I made sure pin was a good fit in both swing arm and frame mounting hole, I used reamer to clean out paint etc from swing arm member.
Took just a few minutes in the press of constantly pumping handle before last sixteenth of an inch disappeared into arm, was I glad to see that, arm was just right, not loose, but no play at all could I detect.
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There was grey primer on bushing, but reamer got most out.
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It was a bit of a job to get pin and bush in line and not forgetting the spacing washer too. Pin was a tight interference fit in the steel frame hole area.
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Reamer went right through both in line bushes, bringing out old paint.
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I believe this is a later type pin that came from a B175, threads in it and on holding in bolts seem to be UNF. Coarser than the Cycle ones on the usual D7 type.
Pin was a nice sliding fit, without any play, I was expecting a little though.
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Washer in place, I took it out of right hand side of the bike it came from, so it went back in same side here.
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Now we start, with everything in line, I got out the hide hammer and gave the end of the pin some.
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Used the old pub type chair to help, hoping to keep frame free of oil and grease and not take too much paint off.
Even used my heavy copper faced hammer, but it was just bouncing back mostly, went in about a half inch and stopped.
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Dropped press saddle down three sets of holes to get frame in, swapped a bigger piece of brass for a thinner one and frame with pin sticking out went in, lots of adjustment necessary to get frame and pin and pusher rod on press as near in line as possible, as I say, just a few minures pumping had pin fairly equal both sides.
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It was at this point I found pin grease bolts were a different size. Arm was just dropping down with its own weight, just right I think. I like to do the greasing next and get that job out of the way, but I realised after that I could have left it to much later, excess grease didn't make later work any easier.
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Bolts don't need to right in to simply grease up the bushes, they'd need to come out later anyway, to fit the triangular passenger footrests etc.
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No, I didn't just screw the bolts in, I used the grease gun on them first to get rid of old dirty grease etc.
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I used to be glad of this old stiff type grease for the Sherpa king pins, used to stiffen steering up a bit for MOT...
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Once new grease I put in gun was flowing at each joint I knew I'd got job done.

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Next stage was fitting the seat loop, I had noticed the tubing here sticking out a lot one side and almost flush the other, it's strange to think that bike would collapse in the middle if frame loop wasn't in properly and no bolt was present holding this area together!
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Went to the Bantam tools storage area, was looking for the gudgeon pin install/removal tool, it's the one with the big piece of tubing on it, as luck would have it, it was a perfect tool for the current job too.
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Just like a gudgeon pin, the frame tube here is being pushed toward the tubing, trying to get both sides sticking out equally.
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Therre was definite movement, somewhere, I took it back quite a bit to check and was rather surprised to find that bolt head had almost completely passed through hole in washer! The power of threads is enormous.
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Part of the problem was the springiness of the seat loop itself, it would keep closing up, making it almost impossible to get the open ends to start on the tubing I'd just adjusted. I improvised by borrowing a bit of wood from the heating department and making it a tight fit between the open ends.
Still no go, frame tubing was simply too long, also loop ends weren't very flat, a good sharp file tidied and squared up loop ends and put a slight bevel on pin, after reducing both sides a few thous each.
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Another idea was using a tourniquet, to both hold both partts together and to draw them forcefully in line. It didn't work, but diud take some paint off...
I had installed other end of loop onto the swing arm bolts, which may have been partly to blame, it only wanted to go on in one particular direction, taking the bolts out again and trying again, after more filing, it eventually popped back in, after a few good hard clouts with hide hammer. More repainting work...
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Took maybe a half hour, but bike would be useless without it. Locked in nicely now, getting the rear tank mount/earthing bolt in will keep it like that.
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Making some progress at last, strung her up on some old mower starter cord.
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Found a pair of old shockers that I painted badly about ten years ago, they'll do for the present, just to keep the frame neater. Not sure if they're D14, B175, or just some D7 ones I took the cans off of.
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Of course searching for those turned up lots more stuff I painted at the same time then, battery box was actually a bought one, two years ago, but it could go on either bike now. Two of the triangular brackets were done in the satin type paint and much too thinly, needs a top up!
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Battery box is a bit dusty, but fits the D14 nicely.
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Also pulled out the D7 type yokes, same story, a good clean with thinners and some lovely Aldi black applied will make all the difference here.
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Nothing special at the mo, but black paint and grey in the stanchion holes proves I did put some paint on them, once, maybe only one thin mist coat on each though?
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Shiny paint on undersides tells the tale better, damp storage and knocking about etc has taken it's toll on top sides.
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Whilst tin was open and brush was wet, I slapped a coat on the ally cone here, no undercoat! It won't take much to get it off again, I just had paint fever I suppose...

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Even did a main stand too, whilst I was at it, I'll surely be looking for lots of my new or good old stuff shortly, to be able to make some progress here.
It's a good feeling to know you have plenty of new and old stock to put into these jobs, once started.
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No, I haven't forgotten the rear brake anchor bracket, I cleaned it up only to find it had been brazed on, a small nail like pin was just about still there with it, used for location purposes at the factory before the brazing, no doubt.
So many bikes still to do, I suddenly feel I've wasted a lot of valuable time that I could have used to my advantage in getting these bikes finished years ago, but better a late start than none at all.

Four now on the road and at least several in bits.

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November 27, 2017 - 11:36 pm
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Tried to post next episode in this build, but got a notice saying that a maximum of three links only were allowed.

That's no good to me, I like to show exactly what I'm talking about and in detail.

Post can be scrubbed off if you like, as I doubt I'll bother to carry on with a max of only three pics a time.

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November 28, 2017 - 9:20 am
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how come only 3 pictures now?

Anyway please keep persisting Mags............I enjoy your posts a great deal...

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I've just tried adding 6 pictures to a post with no problem, I only got as far as preview as they were random pics. I haven't heard of a limit, other than the individual picture size - I use about 100k. dunnoread-manual?

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I imagine it's because I post too many large pictures.

I have no natural lens in my left eye and cataracts in both, thumbnails I cannot get any benefit out of, even with glasses on.

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Unable to save
Maximum number of allowed links exceeded: 10 allowed
  

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thinking dunno

The maximum size of each attachment is 1Mb, so none of your attachments can exceed that. I don't know about a 10 attachment limit (though it may exist).

All I can suggest is that you reduce the size of the images you post with a resizer (edit - I use g-thumb on Linux, but there are lots of free ones for other systems) and see if that works - you can then retain the high definition originals for your own reference and we can continue to enjoy your posts.

Hope that helps.

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Found myself two correct BSF mounting bolts and washers and a a pair of spacers for mounting of triangular bracket.
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Pulled three best looking rear brake levers out, top two at least were spray painted by me years ago, knocking about in different containers and moves haven't helped. No rust though, primer has held up.
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Centre stand and triangular brackets were due for another coat after some sanding down.

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Nice one Mags,you`re cracking on.

Once I`ve extracted a D14 I`ve had for 30yrs from among the heap of bikes,I will be at it too.

I`m not sure if I`m going to bother with much painting,but some areas will have the brass brush treatment here & there,bit of rust converter in other areas and use an oily rag. I`ll enjoy doing the mechanics and getting her running.

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I am actually doing this build elsewhere, where I can upload as many pics as often as I like.

I'm on page seven with wheels on, mudguards painted, wiring harness fitted handlebars on etc but it seems that I can't upload more than one or two pics at a time, I'm copying and pasting it of course, I don't have the time or inclination to sit for hours writing it all out and resizing it all twice!

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where are you posting the rebuild, would be interested to read it.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

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Bournemouth Bantams website.

Since you asked.

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