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Hans Kreuzen
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Hi everyone

PMG "Post Master's General" I love the UK GPO Bantams but I would like to build the Aussie version, so I am looking for information on the D1 Bantams used in Australia for delivering the post and telegrams around 1950, I just purchased a 1949 rigid with the crash bar I needed, I know that most of the club members are in the UK but you never know what info can turn up and there are some Aussies on the forum as well.

Questions I have are:

It looks like the tank and guards are painted red but what about the frame and crash-bar, are they painted red or black? It's hard to tell from a black and white photo.

Are there any written records of Bantams sold to the Australian postal service? (PMG)

Any info would be great, 

Thanks for reading this topic.

Hans

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1950 D1 plunger for daily use, Concourse 1948 D1 rigid, Black 1953 D1 plunger nearly done and a 1949 rigid D1 survivor.

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Hi Hans,

I have just browsed the early record books looking at what was sent out and where. I cannot find any sent specifically to the Australian Postal service. At a skim through the first 1,000 or so in both of the early books, the earliest I found sent to Australia was June 1948 and it went to Taylor in Adelaide. the second book showed several went to Morlock in Perth around January 1950, February and March several more were sent to B&W in Sydney. Nothing specific and quite a few were in what is described as Colonial Black. In fact many of the early bikes were sent out abroad in colonial black, so it wasn't a special order or anything

Sorry I cant be more help

Current bikes......1958 D5, a 77 Suzuki GT250 and a 77 Honda CB125S. I have a 74 Kawasaki S3 400 and a B175 waiting for restoration. A 1980 Honda CB400N waiting for MOT.  Everyday ride is a 2011 Harley Davidson Sportster. 

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That's great info Steve,

I can see another 48 rigid coming up in "Colonial Black" this time, just need to find more of the missing parts to complete my second 48 D1

Thanks heaps for the research and preserving history.

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swalsh58 said
Hi Hans,

I have just browsed the early record books looking at what was sent out and where. I cannot find any sent specifically to the Australian Postal service. At a skim through the first 1,000 or so in both of the early books, the earliest I found sent to Australia was June 1948 and it went to Taylor in Adelaide. the second book showed several went to Morlock in Perth around January 1950, February and March several more were sent to B&W in Sydney. Nothing specific and quite a few were in what is described as Colonial Black. In fact many of the early bikes were sent out abroad in colonial black, so it wasn't a special order or anything

Sorry I cant be more help  

Hi Steve,

The previous bike used before the Bantam came into service with the postal service was the Australian built Acme. This bike was made by Bennett & Wood. When the Bantam was released B&W stopped production of the Acme (might have had something to do with non-availability of Villiers 9D's as well).

Is there an excessively larger than normal single order to B&W in comparison to the other importers in in Oz around 1949-1950? If the bikes were a government order, and the painting mods weren't carried out by BSA, then B&W were "tooled up" for motorcycle painting etc to carry out any modifications.

Also great info about the black colour for us "Colonials"....I like Hans thought '53-'54 for black. 

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Bones

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Just had another browse through the early 1950 record book. All the orders from B&W had separate tally numbers, but were all sent out on the same day - 17/02/1950. It may have been one order, there are no consignment details on those shipments. At a quick guess I would reckon there were between 10 - 15 machines sent to B&W on that date.

I hope that helps a little

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That's very interesting, it may have been one order for a government department like the PMG, I'll guess we will never know, I am still researching the Australian postal service records over here.

It would be nice to build the Aussie GPO version as close as I can, I started ordering new parts etc. from Oz Bantams ready for the restoration, it  should be a fun project to build.

Thanks again for all your help Steve.

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Thanks Steve,

Your help is once again appreciated.

 

Bones

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