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Formal Association With Facebook BSA Bantam Club Page
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BSAdave
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March 24, 2020 - 9:12 am
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ive been a paid up member of this club for a while, Face book is free and full of dodgy advice, I agree about the club getting it's name about but it dilutes the need for being a paid up member, when something is free it has no value.

What have the Romans ever done for us situation

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Well BSADave you're right that formalising the FB link could be seen to erode the reason to be a paid-up member of the Club. But this was a balanced decision, because FB is where we'll get our next generation of Club members from. If they're after accurate and measured advice - then hopefully they'll gravitate to this Forum. If they want detailed information - then hopefully they'll join the Club, and get access to the 'members only' area.

Bear in mind that there are a great many people who are users of this Forum, who aren't Club members either. That too was a balanced decision when the website/Forum was first set up (ie to allow non-Club-members to register on this Forum) and those worldwide users are really valuable, welcome, and make a huge contribution to the lively activity on here. This website in general, and the Forum in particular, were set up and are maintained from Club funds - so the notion of folks getting 'owt for nowt' is well-established. We're providing something for the wider hobby, and not just a closed shop for paid-up Club members.

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March 24, 2020 - 11:31 am
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And many thanks for that, Bryan. As you say, many forum non-members provide / have provided plenty of useful info.

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Not sure I understand the logic...I recently discovered that the BSA Bantam Club has a discussion group on Facebook now...and it seems to be quite well used?

I also have noticed that these forum pages on the official BSA Bantam Clubs web site is not as busy as it once was.

To me, the 2 platforms are in competition with each other now...I know lots of folks who won't go near Facebook so they will never see the input on the Facebook pages..

So I see a downside...somebody is keen for an answer to a Bantam prob or inquiry...they are used to this forum and know nothing of the competing one...unfortunately the very person who may be able to help only bothers with the Facebook pages....or Vice-versa....so why do we need 2 platforms diluting our audience numbers?

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Nick, the pros & cons of both sites were covered recently.

There`s still a wealth of knowledge on here, both archived and currently standing by with mechanically skilled and electrically versed input. Plus those with in-depth experience and knowledge of the Bantam marque.

Fear not.

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April 13, 2020 - 1:24 pm
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Hi bantammad era l think I’m with you on this one Blue regards Les 

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For what it's worth, I just took a quick peek at the facebook page for the first, and possibly last time. Just 3 posts into it and the language deteriorates to words such as "effing". Is that really necessary? Are there no moderators on facebook?

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I tend to do the sign of a cross with my fingers when FB is mentioned. I`m non-religious, it`s only my opinion, my family all use it, I`m outnumbered ....but sometimes I  feel obliged to reply to them via it , to be polite..but generally phffft...

I`m glad this forum exists, it represents some normality and sane interaction between folk.

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I see now that the Bantam Club Facebook page is increasingly rapidly going downhill, possibly because, like many such pages, it is open to all and sundry, not just Bantam enthusiasts, although some of those have different agendas.

Generally, posts start off as they should, either a request for help with a mechanical issue or a photo of an owners bike after restoration or on a ride out, usually to encourage other owners.  But many soon attract criticism from someone who disagrees with the original poster on their choice of style of build, colour or description of their Bantam or even choice of riding gear. Any opinion of value given to any particular Bantam almost always attracts aggresive criticism, one reply hinted that Bantams are worth very little, stating that Bantams can't be used anyway ! When challenged on how he came to that opinion he replied that he didn't own a Bantam, never had done and never would do ! Why are people like this members of the page ? Others criticise much and contribute nothing.

The recent poster that I presume Bee175 is referring to, who resorts to "effing", suggests that we should put up and shut up. I am certainly ready to do that. My local group of Bantam owners are great chaps as were everyone I met at the Club National Rally last year but I wouldn't want to spend much time with some of the members that we are "meeting with" in this current situation.

As I say, definitely going downhill, this is no longer the Club that I joined.

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April 13, 2020 - 9:54 pm
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I joined the Aussie one years ago, I still get reminders and very occasionally have a look-see and all seems polite and friendly. 

Thank gawd for this forum we`re on, nothing to touch it in the Bantam world.

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I'm afraid I second all of Wilduns post....the FB Bantam group is mega PA disaster and puts The BSA Bantam Club in a bad light...who in their right mind sanctioned it....maybe ok for local branches for members only but nothing else.

We have a sort of OK forum here...is gone downhill over the last year not sure why but there seem to be a lot of disgruntled members about.

Is that being addressed???

Nick.

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nickjaxe said
...We have a sort of OK forum here...is gone downhill over the last year not sure why but there seem to be a lot of disgruntled members about...

Perhaps you could give some more evidence for that comment?

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April 14, 2020 - 9:19 am
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nickjaxe said
"We have a sort of OK forum here...is gone downhill over the last year not sure why but there seem to be a lot of disgruntled members about."

 

From my own perspective (others may disagree) the forum has definitely taken a turn for the worse. I believe the main reason for this is because we are telling people to go and search on Google rather than chatting with them, especially when it is a repeat question on a topic that has been partly covered before. I say "partly" covered because very few previously discussed topics are actually fully conclusive. There is always room for more discussion, yes, even on what ratio to mix your 2t oil.

I am one of the disgruntled people that Nick mentions. That doesn't mean I hate anyone and it doesn't mean I'm going to leave the club, but it does mean that I am now very reluctant to post on the forum in fear of being told to go and conduct a search, even though I already have, and the answer I needed was not forthcoming. It's not a great way to feel about your own forum.

This has sometimes left me wondering where else I can go for my answers, and of course, I have considered asking on the Facebook group. Unfortunately my distaste for facebook as a whole has stopped me from doing that. And from my brief peep on there the other day I'm glad I haven't.

My biggest concern, is that I am actually looking elsewhere in the first place, when I used to have a very friendly and helpful forum to turn to. It was frankly a brilliant forum 5 years back when I joined. I got so much help. Maybe that help is over on facebook? I'll never know.

Many of the topics on this forum over the last year have turned into places for bickering and general disagreements (rather like this one) on how the forum should be run, and even whether a question should be answered, or the poster referred back to a Google search. However nicely and politely these things are done, it creates a feeling of being unwelcome as a poster, especially if you're posting for the first time as many are. It certainly has me on edge.

I'm even wondering how this post will be recieved, despite my being entirely polite and reasonable. I shouldn't be feeling that way. 

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April 14, 2020 - 9:50 am
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Took the words out of my mouth Gary....

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April 14, 2020 - 11:20 am
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I think with those sentiments, I am out of here.

Some people are so negative, and cannot take any view other than their own. This forum is a mine of useful information if you only look for it. If you cant find what you need then ask. No one has ever been criticised for not being able to find things, only when they cannot be bothered looking. Despite that being said, people still perceive that everyone is told 'to search on google'. People are advised the best way to search the site because the in house search engine is rubbish. 

I am fed up of trying to explain what was said, and how it was said and people not listening and going their own way. So be it, I wont be posting again and I will leave you to wallow in your own negativity.

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I won't comment on searching - you all know my views. From what I see the forum has never been healthier, there are many new members joining every week from the look of it - I don't know where all these Bantams are coming from

There are always going to be members who don't like various aspects of how the forum is run, though there don't seem to be many who are prepared to help run it.

Stick with it Steve, your input is always valuable. Yours too Gary.

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swalsh58 said
I think with those sentiments, I am out of here.

Some people are so negative, and cannot take any view other than their own. This forum is a mine of useful information if you only look for it. If you cant find what you need then ask. No one has ever been criticised for not being able to find things, only when they cannot be bothered looking. Despite that being said, people still perceive that everyone is told 'to search on google'. People are advised the best way to search the site because the in house search engine is rubbish. 

I am fed up of trying to explain what was said, and how it was said and people not listening and going their own way. So be it, I wont be posting again and I will leave you to wallow in your own negativity.  

Steve. I do hope it's not my post you find to be negative in any way. If so, I have clearly misled you and apologise for that. I also apologise to anyone else finding it to be a negative post.

Can I therefore make it clear that my post was filled with "concern" and not "negativity". I certainly didn't feel negative whilst writing it. 

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April 14, 2020 - 5:41 pm
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Amen to that Gary...I just fear for the club and the image it portrays...I wish it every success and hope it sorts its self out.

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In my tidying up during this lockdown I’ve come across a few copies of the “Rooster”, the magazine of our predecessors the Bantam Enthusiasts Club, sadly no longer with us.  I’ve also got an old bike magazine with a letter announcing the formation of the new (current) club and inviting people to join, I did and got in at number 0006!  I’ve not been a continuous member but have been for a good number of years.  The point is that clubs go through tough times and either find the way through or wind up and I want to say that the current committee have been through the mill recently and need our support.

As regards the forum I’ve really appreciated the advice I’ve gleaned from the forum both from answers to my questions and in reading about other people’s issues and their resolution.  I feel the frustration of those who have patiently answered questions over and over again.  In the past we perhaps spent more time reading/looking at parts books etc. and of course some of us (not me sadly) have direct experience of working in the motorcycle industry ‘back in the day’ and really we should try to preserve that knowledge for future generations.  However, like it or not, more and more people now lack past experience and have also lost some investigative skills that we might take for granted, it is oh so easy to ask Google and to view a video.  Discerning what is actually correct is not so easy!  

Being an open forum is great but it does mean of course that non club members not only get the benefit of the accumulated wisdom but also get to speak into situations.  This will be particularly noticeable on Facebook (which I don’t use) as the moderation is less accomplished.  This is not a reflection of the club going down hill but in fact a positive in the openness of the club to welcome non members.  Of course offensive language and insinuation should have no part to play in what should be, here or on Facebook, a community of enthusiasts.  No one should feel they cannot voice a question or suggest a solution that has worked for them.

During this difficult time let’s help each other get the bikes fit for the road and spare a thought/raise a glass for those who actually run the club in their own time and with very little thanks.  Thank you all.

Sorry to go on!

P.S. How about a special tools loan service for members?

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