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What do you think of the price? Considering it's new. freaked-out_gif
Sorry, I did cut and paste but I think you'll find it.

You will need one of these too

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which will also need one of these

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Just drilling the angled outwards standard plate makes it stick out too far when folded.

That's upwards of £200

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I've got the stand and plate on the fruit pastoral,but you don't need the rear brake lever from the bushamn,i just have the normal brake pedal fitted.

But i'm glad you posted the photo of the pedal piquet,because i have one and i thought,it looks like a bantam item but the tube is all on one side instead of being in the centre,see i don't know everything....yet....

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jess steele said
see i don't know everything....yet....

So where do I go for advice now. cant-lookthumbs-upbow

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jess steele said
I've got the stand and plate on the fruit pastoral,but you don't need the rear brake lever from the bushamn,i just have the normal brake pedal fitted.

You could fit the standard pedal but the pedal pad will be very close to the footrest. The Bushman, Bantam/Super Cub pedal, as well as being offset, is longer because the pivot is fitted behind the plate mounting bolt on the Bushman, Bantam/Super Cub plate whereas the pivot is fitted in front of the plate mounting bolt on the standard plate. There is no brake pedal stop on the Bushman, Bantam/Super Cub plate (nor a hole to mount the lower chain guard) so I'm guessing the pedal is offset to use the footrest as the stop. I think the angle between the main pedal and the arm that the brake rod connects to could be different as well because they all use the same rod, being mounted further back would mean the rod would be to long if a standard pedal was used, not insurmountable I know but another hassle!

The Bushman side stand is probably too long for a standard bike due to the increased ground clearance Bushman frame, for a standard bike you need the shorter Bantam/Super Cub stand as above.

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I'll lift the bushman pedal out some time this week along with a standard d7to b175 pedal and compare the two and i'll add some photo's for reference,it might help others...

Here's a few photos of the d7 fruit pastoral,i know i have the standard brake pedal on this but it doesn't look to short to me and the stand doesn't seen to long, did bsa make a shorter stand version of the bushman type ?,see what you think...

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The other side gives you a better idea on the length of the rear brake pedal...

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Mick W said

jess steele said
see i don't know everything....yet....

So where do I go for advice now. cant-lookthumbs-upbow  

Google Mick rofl..............

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jess steele said
I'll lift the bushman pedal out some time this week along with a standard d7to b175 pedal and compare the two and i'll add some photo's for reference,it might help others...

Here's a few photos of the d7 fruit pastoral,i know i have the standard brake pedal on this but it doesn't look to short to me and the stand doesn't seen to long, did bsa make a shorter stand version of the bushman type ?,see what you think...

Be interesting to see the comparison, details can go in the Tech Archive.

There are different numbers for the Bantam/Super Cub and Bushman stands (similar design but in addition to being longer the Bushman leg appears to have a bend in it too) I presume it was the shorter version that was fitted to the Bantam/Super Cub along with Bushman type pedal and plate.

Another anomaly, the Bushman used a standard brake pedal return spring but the Bantam/Super Cub used a B40 spring!

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As promised piquet,photos of the rear brake pedals.both pedals are the same length at 255mm (one on ebay says approx 11 inch = 275mm)and have the same rake for the rear brake rod,only difference between the two is the off set,and the bends in one.still don't know if its a bushman item or not.i'm sure John the bushman will know...

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There must be more versions than I thought then, here is my selection, all bought via eBay (at sensible prices, not quite down to Jess' level, but reasonable)

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The standard set is taken from a totally original, low mileage B175 and the brake arm measures 9" from the centre of the pivot to the centre of the pedal pad.

The Bushman, Bantam/Super Cub pedal measures 9.5" from the centre of the pivot to the centre of the pedal pad.

Haven't decided which spring to used yet, will post more pictures once fitted.

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Like i said piquet i wasn't even sure my pedal was a bantam item.

Have you noticed in my photo that the pedal pad has been welded on the wrong way,pedal looks like it could be nos,so could have come out the factory like that,either way i don't think i'll ever use it,might re-weld the pad the right way round one day though....

Looking at your photo's piquet is the brake arm itself any longer than the standard pedal,or is the length the same but the pad welded in a different position ?

I did wonder about the spring myself,i don't think the standard d7 on would fit,would it ?

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I can't be sure my pedal is a Bantam item either, it was described as 'NOS Late Bantam brake pedal also fits Bantam framed Cubs' and was from a Triumph parts dealer. I've had another check on it and I'm convinced the pedal lever is the same item, same angles etc. the only difference is the offset and that the lever itself is not bent under the pad to the same extent as the standard pedal, I'm sure that is where the extra .5" length comes from.

I never noticed the pad on your pedal was the wrong way round, could it be that the pad has been bent round 90° thus curling the lever underneath and shortening it?

I can't see that the standard spring will fit the same way it does on a standard pedal due to the lack of a stop. I've tried Googling Bushman & Bantam/Super Cub pictures and it may be that the spring is fitted with the hook under the pedal rather than the brake rod arm but where the other end goes I've no idea and I haven't had a chance to put that theory to the test yet.

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OK, had a chance to fit these parts today and it works but..............

The stand sticks out further than I would like and the bike leans a little more than I would like.

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It's possible these problems can be sorted, obviously these parts are not new, the mounting plate is a little twisted, the stand leg looks as though it has a slight bend in it that I hadn't noticed before and the pivot has considerable play so maybe with these rectified it would be a little better.

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I fitted the B40-Bantam/Super Cub spring (it's cheaper than the standard Bantam spring and more readily available!), it seems to fit OK with the end hooked over the plate mounting bolt.

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The brake rod doesn't seem quite right, had to fit a tubular spacer to get it to work. The Bushman and standard Bantam have the same rod listed. I wonder if the difference in the two frames allow this? The Cub has a different number listed although I have no idea if the length differs.

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Pedal length looks OK though.

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